Preachers and Teachers
Remembering The Page-Jackson Era, 1940s-1950s
Joint
interview at the Holiday Inn and Page Jackson Reunion, July, 2001.
John
Brown
Seabrook,
MD
(Mr.
Brown grew up on Eagle Avenue, Charles Town)
“Well
I’ll tell ya. One of the most important things that molded which direction I
was going in life is what we had at Page-Jackson High School. I’ve never had an experience in my lifetime
and I’m sixty years old, of where teachers cared so much about the students
they taught. They cared so much to the
point that they would absolutely put you in mortal fear, that you would learn. There wasn’t such a thing as special
education in my days. If you were a slow learner, you had such fear of your
teachers that you became a fast learner, and you learned. And that’s the
preparation I got for life. Some of the things I learned from my teachers are
the things that molded which direction I went in life. I didn’t go any place that I didn’t think I
couldn’t achieve. It all depended on
which goals I set for myself. And the
goals I set, I met just about every one of them. Probably could have gone a
little further, but the goals I set are the goals I met, and that desire came
from what the teachers instilled in me as a child growing up in elementary right
on up to junior high, right on up through high school.
“We
had teachers and preachers. That was the things in the neighborhood that we
came from. And if you didn’t respect them, then you better get ready because
your parents were ready to get a hold of you when you got home . . . Wasn’t
that right, Johnny? . . . So we all got molded by what we learned in
school. We had our parental teaching at
home, but we were at school more than at home, and when we went to school and
when the teacher told you, you were getting ready to have math, you better be
ready to have math. And if they said:
‘We’re getting ready to have English,’ you better be ready to have
English. And by the time you got out of
school, you were ready to be competitive with anyone in the world with a high
school education, mainly because you knew and you had confidence in what you
knew.
“One
of the teachers that I always quote was one by the name of Miss Elsie
Clinton. And she always told me and I
still quoted it to my kids and I teach school right now. I quoted it to the
kids at school and one of the things she always said was: ‘Excuses only satisfy
the people that make ‘em. Now roll your sleeves up, get back to your seat and
get busy!’ And that’s what I did! And I’ve been getting busy ever since.
And
I still quote Miss Elsie Clinton. She
played a significant role in my life.”
John
Bailey
Glendale,
AZ
(Mr.
Bailey grew up in Shenandoah Junction)
“I
remember Mr. Cootie Fleming, when he first came to Page-Jackson. He was the type of person who could get the
best out of you. I mean he could make you do things that you didn’t think you
could do. He instilled in me the will
to win, and to this day, I hate to lose at anything. I don’t care what it is.
I hate to lose. And if you beat me, I will get even. That’s something else that he taught
us. No matter what you do, you’re gonna
lose sometimes, but when you lose, in the back of your mind, just say: ‘I’ll
get even.’ And I’ve done that. Throughout my Air Force career, I became, I was
voted as the most versatile sportsman in the whole Air Force. I participated in everything. I wanted to be the best that I could be in
everything that I did. I worked hard,
practiced hard, and I accomplished, I would say, ninety-nine per cent of my
goals. I had some long-time goals, I had some short-time goals, but met
ninety-nine per cent of them.
“You
know there was twenty-two in my family. I was the only that ever graduated from
high school. Some went to the eleventh
grade, some to the twelfth, but they all quit.
I was the type of person that would never quit. I quit school two times; I wanted to go in
the service. I just wanted to get out of Charles Town. But I eventually stayed in there until I
graduated. If I tell you I’m going to do
something, go to the bank with it.”
John
Brown:
“We
all came from the school in the days of segregation and Page-Jackson was the
black school. Charles Town High was the
white school. To show you the
difference in treatment we had in those days, we realized it, we accepted it
and that’s where Johnny comes in with that ‘win-at-any-cost’ attitude. When Charles Town High got through with
their school books, they passed them down to Page-Jackson High, the used school
books. We all understood this. That was a part of the era we came up
in. That was in everything. So we developed an attitude – maybe because
we had to – that no matter what we did, we’d excel in it. And that’s where my attitude came from. Anything anyone felt they could do, we felt
we had to do it, just a little bit better.
We put our minds to it. We put
our bodies to it. And we did it. And we
did it effortlessly.”
John
Bailey:
“I’d
like to say something about Johnny Brown’s mother. I used to live next door to
him.
I
was always poor, going to school, no money for lunch. She stopped me almost every day and she’d say: ‘Johnny come
here.’ And she’d give me twenty-five cents. And I’d go to school and I’d have a
little bit of money to have lunch with.
None of the kids ever knew this.
In fact I just told Johnny’s brother this past summer in Arizona, and he
made the statement: ‘No wonder she never gave me any money. She was givin’ it all to you!’ But she was a very, very nice lady.
“There
was a couple of women around Charles Town that were very influential in my
life. This next lady I’m going to tell you about she actually almost saved my
life. I was nine years old; I’m
sixty-nine now. I was up at King’s Daughter Hospital. They gave me up to die. My body was saturated with poison I’d
eaten off of apples; they said: ‘He isn’t going to make it on through the
night.’ And I made it. Johnny’s mother
talked me into going to the Episcopal Church on Lawrence Street. I went to the church. See, before all this, I used to want to be –
I was the bad little person – I wanted to be bad because I wanted to mess
around with other bad folks. I wanted to curse better than anyone in Charles
Town. So I started going to church. I eventually got baptized, confirmed and it
was October, 1951; and to this day, I have never used another curse word. So, I’m sayin’ that church was a powerful
thing around here in our day, because the average person went to church. I think that was just a part of our bringing up. They didn’t make
you go, but sometimes they made you wish that you had gone. But they didn’t make us go.”
John
Brown:
“I’d
guess you could say that we were a product of our environment. We were raised up in an environment where
you respected the teacher and preacher. And you went to Sunday school and you
went to church and you had to do it. And so having to do it, you learned what
it was teaching, you actually learned to live by the doctrines in church and
school. That’s the reason we learned to respect our teachers so much.
“In
looking back on it, I think that we accomplished a great deal more when the
schools were segregated than when they integrated. When we integrated, we lost the interest that the preacher and
the teacher had in us, and we became incorporated into a universal type of
situation, where either you sink or you swim. And we didn’t have that personal
nurturing that we got in the segregated school. We didn’t have that morality that was taught in a black church
and black neighborhood. One thing they
had in there was moral standards. Not saying that someone else didn’t have it,
but that’s what we leaned on. We had to have something to lean on. Almost like goin’ back to the slave days
when they had the songs that they sang to encourage them to hold on, hold
on. Well that’s the same way we were
raised up in a black neighborhood and a black school. That moral standard that we learned from our parents, that you
had to do this, you had to do that to make it.
And that’s how we survived and that’s how we became a nation.”
John
Bailey:
“The
thing I think I missed out on in segregated schools was that I felt the
integrated school gave me more opportunity. I love sports, to compete against
the best. We had only been competing against the best among us. I never did get a chance to actually prove
that I was the best at what I was doing, because I wasn’t allowed to compete
against the white folks. I never got it
in school. I graduated in ’52.”
Delores
Jackson Foster
Jersey
City, New Jersey
(Ms.
Foster grew up on Gilbert Street on Harper’s Ferry and was the subject of a
documentary on the Public Broadcasting System as a principal in a very
successful inner city elementary school. – ED).
“I
would say Page-Jackson High School gave me the foundation for the type of educator
I turned out to be. Page-Jackson had
teachers from the South and they taught at the high school that we were
somebody; and that we had the knowledge to go anywhere in this country and in
this state, and if they compared us with other students, we’d probably rise to
the top. And when I became a principal,
I instilled in my teachers – had to instill - the attitude that our kids were
going somewhere. And they teach them as
though they were their own children.
We’re hoping to have the best product in the very end. So when I thought about the common
environment that I wanted at the elementary and high school level, I thought
how Page-Jackson was a very small community, teachers knew us and our potentials. They knew how far to
push us. We could achieve. And we did achieve.
“My
first job as an educator was at Page-Jackson, where I taught English and
secretarial studies. While it was
strange being there at the high school with teachers that taught me, I soon
learned that I had a role to play at the school as well as the older teachers.
And I left Page-Jackson and went to New Jersey where I spent thirty-nine years
in education. I went from being a
teacher to finally a principal at an elementary school. While there, I often
thought about the kinds of teachers I had at Page-Jackson. But I would say my role model was my mother,
who was unable to finish high school, but told us we had to go beyond high
school even through college. I had to
finish college to be a teacher. And my
mother would say: ‘You have to finish college because you want to be a
teacher.’ She and the teachers that
taught me the basics were the motivating factors. I owe a lot to Page-Jackson
and also to Grandview Elementary.”